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How to Get Back on Your Feet After Being Laid Off
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If you've been through a RIF or know someone who has, this episode is here to help you get back on your feet.
I'm sharing a six-step lifeline for anyone treading in these choppy waters—all to help you find a new job, position yourself well, and reach out when you need help.
Transforming a setback into a setup for a greater comeback, we pivot to the mechanics of a job search strategy that feels less like a chore and more like a quest for your next and better job. Let's align your skills and passions to build a career in a company that gets you.
In this episode, I get into the nitty-gritty of setting actionable goals, the details behind writing a resume that gets through AI-based resume screeners, and the undeniable power of networking.
Whether you're a seasoned professional facing uncertainty or a recent graduate eager to make your mark, this episode offers a compass in the storm and a community waiting to welcome you aboard.
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Navigating Layoffs
Speaker 1Welcome back . My name is Katherine Vanderlaan and I am so excited to see you on this podcast . I'm excited to be back . If you don't know anything about my life , my family moved to California about a year and a half ago mid-2022 . Life was crazy . We had an assignment , we did our assignment and then we moved back at the end of the summer in 2023 . We bought a house . We've been adjusting . I've been managing savorstreetcom and the coaching business . I've been spinning up a lot more management leadership , coaching . If you are listening to this right now , you for sticking with me . Thank you for coming back . Thank you for listening to this podcast .
Speaker 1This topic that we're going into today is about how to get back on your feet after being laid off . It's not really a fun topic to go into . It's difficult , but if you find yourself in a position right now where you have been laid off , it's essential to know how to get back on your feet . Layoffs are in the news . It is touching the tech industry . That's , first and foremost on the news , but it's also touching the finance industry , the healthcare industry . I'm seeing it in the media and news industry . I'm seeing it in a lot of different places . If you have been touched by a layoff . You are in a lot of company right now I've been laid off . How many people know that I've been laid off ? But it wasn't expected for all the reasons that you would think , because being laid off is not about poor performance . It is certainly not about your worth as an individual . If you find that you've been laid off , it says absolutely nothing about your value as an employee , about the value of your work . It says everything about the company that you're working for , in that they did not employ other techniques before doing a larger layoff .
Speaker 1I have now been doing group leadership coaching within organizations for whole departments . I have been doing management coaching , one-on-one with different up-and-coming managers to do first-time manager training and also a little bit of advanced manager training to help them get on the ball again so that they can be the best manager , a leader that people want to follow . Some people would call that executive coaching . I think executive coaching is a little different , although I have done a little bit of that as well . It's more about finding a strategy and creating it . Anyway , we're not here to talk about that . Layoff are affecting a lot of people right now . If you have found that it is affecting you or someone that you know , then you need to know . If it's someone that you know , send him this podcast . If it's , you , then listen up because I have six steps for how to get back on your feet after being laid off .
Speaker 1Let's dive right in . Let's just get into the six steps . I'm a very practical , to the point person . When I coach people , I like to be practical , to the point , help them . It's a little bit of training and coaching and problem solving and mentoring and a little bit of everything , because I don't really subscribe to the whole blue coaching thing Like no , let's just get steps . Let's do it . Let's stay accountable . Let's get stuff done . Let's do training . If you need training , I almost always share my coaching with courses and downloads and resources and all this stuff to reach you . Anyway , let's get into those six steps that it takes to get back on your feet after being laid off .
Speaker 1I learned these six steps after being laid off myself . I was kind of expecting it , not because of poor performance or anything . I was one of the rock stars in the organization , I was one of the fair managers , but I was expecting it because I knew that we were going to have a reorganization and I was one of the last in the department . So all of the signs were there . I knew that , how the reorganization was going to take effect . I knew some big points . I helped with some of the reorganization and reassignment . It took me by surprise . They didn't tell me everything , but I definitely went through . I was helping rate employees and assessed them . I knew it was coming . I thought , hey , I'm one of the youngest here , I am one of the last in in management , I'm probably going to be laid off . So of course I built an emergency fund , a bigger one than we already had , and we went from there . So I learned these six steps by going through them myself and then also through coaching other people how to find a new full-time job after being laid off . I've worked with at least dozens of people I don't really count at this point , but at least dozens of people who have been laid off . So I'm going to tell you stories throughout these six steps to illustrate what these points really mean .
Speaker 1So first I'm going to give you all six points . Number one is take some time to emotionally adjust to your new situation . Take some time . Number two is decide on your job search strategy , and that could mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people , so we're going to get into it . Number three is create some job search goals and a plan to tackle it and then execute the plan , guys . Number four is to get community support and reach out to your network . Number five is to lower your monthly budget , because I mean , okay , if you're listening to this on management material , my podcast knows that I'm cross-posting this to the money minister . So I got money on the money minister and I need to say actually to anyone in this situation please enact your emergency budgets . So we're going to put into that one . And the sixth one is ask for help . If you need it , please ask for help .
Speaker 1So let's get into all six of those points , one at a time . The first one is to take time to emotionally adjust . Take some time , whether that is a day or two or a week maximum , maybe two weeks . Take some time to adjust to your new situation . Understand what it means . Go through the paperwork , look and sign up for Cobra , if you have that option . Take the time that you need to emotionally adjust so that you can be your whole self for the next steps . And what that doesn't mean is go , take all of your savings and go on vacation . It doesn't mean to just play video games for two weeks straight . It does not mean to spiral into a depression and isolate yourself . Instead , taking some time to emotionally adjust means look at your reality in the face , understand your financial situation and your job situation , what people you can reach out to think about how you're feeling right now . If you need to go talk to a therapist , go talk to a therapist . But take the time that you need to emotionally adjust . Give yourself a deadline Max two weeks if you can afford it . If you cannot afford it , take one or two days . Almost everybody can afford a day , day after they were laid off to adjust to the new situation . All right .
Job Search and Goal Setting
Speaker 1The second step is to decide on your job search strategy . Now , this does mean to a lot of different people , but here's what I mean Figure out what kind of job you're going through or what kind of job you are looking for . That job is usually an intersection between your personality , your skills and your passions . What makes your heart sing ? Those are your passions . Skill what do you have proof that you can do ? What have you done in past careers ? Look through that and your personality . Are you an introvert or an extrovert ? Do you love talking to people or do you hate talking to people ? That kind of thing ? Who are you ? Are you organized ? Are you a passionate person by nature ? Do you like to communicate in text or in voice ? Are you a post office ? Are you afraid of public speaking ? All of those things ? What is your personality ? What are your skills and where are your passions ? Your next job is in the intersection of all three . All right , so that will help you decide on your job search .
Speaker 1By the way I go into that is the very , very first thing in my group Find your next full-time job group coaching session . It includes workshops . It includes coaching within the group . Bring your questions . This is not a sales pitch , but I want to let you know that I'm very passionate . I help a lot of people find their next full-time job . It is within my unlimited group coaching package . I also stand alone . It comes with a two-week free trial where you can get access to almost everything , but you have to do it one at a time . You can join at any time with a conversation with me . Even if you joined in the middle or at the end of the eight-week program . You'll get a lot of benefits out of it . You will be able to view all the recordings , download the handouts , do the workshops yourself and catch up if you want to . A lot of people go through it two or three times because they catch different things different times through . So anyway , all right , I'm not trying to . Well , I guess I did plug that , but you can click the link below . Click on that button . Talk to me . I am happy to help you find your next full-time job . Anyway , so go ahead . This is the first lesson .
Speaker 1The first workshop is to help you find that next job that you're going for and create your job search strategy . All right , the second step is to create some job search goals . Goals are different than a strategy . Notice , when I said create your job search strategy , I didn't say here's your strategy , here's your plan , because strategy and a plan are two different things . Now that's its own podcast episode . If you listen to management material , then you will hear that as a podcast episode . Real quick . I love talking about the difference between a strategy and a plan . Anyway , all right . Third step is to create some job search goals and a plan to tackle it . That's difficult If you are currently laid off and you have emotionally adjusted to it , you are looking for a new job and you are diving in , create your job search goals , chances are you're not going to meet your goals .
Speaker 1That is where that group comes in . But let's say that you have some goals in place . You create those goals and your goals are applied to three different jobs a day . And then you put together that plan . You tackle it . You have a master resume , which , again , we go into in the group . You have a master resume . You modify it for every single job that you are applying to . You create a lovely cover letter that you modify to every single job you reach out . You're networking . You're finding these roles , you are applying to these roles . You are that . I mean . That's how you land the interviews .
Speaker 1Now , creating the goals for job searching is usually done the real way . A lot of people together goals that say I'm going to get five interviews by the end of the week . I'm going to have a new job by a month or two from now . Those goals are outside of your control . You can't get an interview . What you can do is apply to three jobs a day . You can't get yourself a new job within a month or two . What you can do is reach out to people in your community network and find the opportunities that your resume in front of the right people , create goals that you can achieve , that you have control over . Okay , those are goals that are achievable by you because you can control them . Please listen to what I'm saying . When you , after you have created your job search strategy , your jobs , that you're going for their titles , that is when you create plan , outreach , plan to then get that job . The strategy is all around positioning yourself as the best candidate for that job . The goals are around what you can achieve and plan to get you to getting that job . It's around everything that you can control . That is what the plan and the goals are about . The strategy has the uncontrollable aspect in it . All right , if you need clarity on that , come talk to me . I have a link below , let's chat .
Speaker 1Number four is get community support and reach out to your network . When you are first looking for a new job , you need community support . Now , a lot of us are introverts . We just don't want to talk to people . It feels icky being laid off . You feel like a pariah . Nobody wants to talk to you , or so you think , but you know what . That's not true . What is not true ? You have a community of people who want to support you , I don't care how introverted and awkward you are . You have a community of people who want to help you . I promise you people who have gotten your work and it's been amazing work they will give you a recommendation , they'll write something on LinkedIn . They will recommend you to different roles . They will network on your behalf and send your LinkedIn profile to your friends or to their friends in different industries , at different companies . They will help you because they care and they're human .
Speaker 1Almost nobody actually nobody that I have coached into finding a new job has reached out to their network , acquaintances , people that they call friends in their office and gotten a core or charitable response . Everyone has reached out to their network and , yes , a few people didn't reply . Big portion , a large portion of people came back and said that sounds awful . I had no idea . They didn't announce who was laid off . I'm so sorry to hear that . I know that person and this other person who are looking for candidates in X field . Does that fit you ? Hey , yeah , it probably does . I mean , you've created your jobs , your strategy . You know what you're going for . Go , network , connect , meet and keep . Absolutely reach out to your network and find that new job . That is the best way to find a new job is to network and reach out to your people .
Speaker 1Okay , number five is lower your monthly budget . Now look , if you are listening to this on management material . I need to talk about this . I look at a lot of people's budgets . If you have been laid off , go through and cancel a bunch of subscriptions . Figure out how you can lower your monthly budget and enact your emergency budget . If you don't know what an emergency budget is , then Google it or come talk to me , because that is what I do , saber Street , with financial coaching . I train financial coaches , I work with some people one-on-one , I handle groups and I train people on how to manage their personal budgets .
Speaker 1So go through , look at your spending , see what you can cut . Stop eating out If it is eating through your savings . If you've just been laid off , you're not gonna have an income for a while and make sure you can maximize your savings to maximize your time before you need to have that first paycheck . Your first paycheck might with your next job and , yeah , you will find a next job . Join my group . You definitely . Well , I can't guarantee it because it really depends on what you put into it , but you'll very likely find your next job and faster if you join the group . Anyway , lower your monthly budget . See what you can cut out . Stop eating out and go get that next job . Okay , maximize your time by minimizing your spending . That will help you not get into a ton of debt if you have been laid off . And when you do get that next job , your next paycheck could come two , three weeks after you've started . So just remember that and lower your spending right now . Okay .
Speaker 1The sixth step is to ask for help . If you need it , go , please ask for help . Join your church group and if you don't have a church , go join one . Okay , ask for help if you need it . If you need to reach out to a therapist , reach out to a therapist so that you can get , so you can emotionally adjust . If you need help finding the tools , the resources , the strategy , knowing what a craft , a resume that will land you an interview , how to create a cover letter , then join my group . We have a two week free trial . See if it fits you . All right , ask for help if you need it . It says a lot about you some really good things about you as an individual . If you are willing to ask for help when you need it , so go ahead and ask for that help .
Overcoming Job Search Challenges
Speaker 1Okay , the two big , big big things that I hear after somebody has been laid off , maybe it's been a week or two , or three or four . They've been laid off and they're really not terribly excited about where they are . We go through these six points . The first thing I hear is I'm overwhelmed , I don't know what to do . Where do I start ? Start at the beginning , just start at the beginning . After a holiday , the kitchen is a disaster . Right , absolutely a disaster . Something has come out of the oven . The oven might be a disaster on the inside . You have tons of pots and pans and utensils and plates and the dishwasher is already full and you know how you clean it up . One dish at a time , one thing at a time . So start at the beginning , emotionally adjust , decide which jobs you're going for and your job search strategy . Then do it one step at a time , keep going until it's done . That's it All right . So take that overwhelm and that analysis , paralysis and just start Doing it will help you figure out how to do it . If it has been your first time in 10 , 12 more years that you've had to job search , or maybe you've never created a resume , one thing at a time , just do it one thing at a time and you will get there , ask for help if you need it . That is step number six , for a reason , okay .
Speaker 1The second thing that I hear a lot , a lot , a lot , is I don't know which job to go for . I don't know how to list my skills . I don't know how to list my personality . What do you mean when you say that my next job is in the intersection of my skills , my personality and my passions ? I don't even know what I'm passionate about . I didn't like the job that I had and I don't know what to do going forward . I don't even know if I qualify for any of the jobs that I want . That's when you talk to me , let's figure it out . I hear this a lot Within a discussion . We will figure out what you can go for . Okay , I help people with this all day , all day . Join the group . You get a free two week trial on purpose so that you know if it fits you , okay . The last thing that I hear is I'm about to run out of time .